Thank you, and I agree! Operation Paperclip was sooo much more than the 1,000-ish criminals talked about, and al over the world not just USA. Canada got our fair share of them too.
A powerful and moving post. Would that the milksops, soyboys and cucks that are both sexes in today's Canada had a measure of the courage, integrity and decency of your father's and grandfather's compatriots.
I appreciated your anecdotes very much: very poignant.
"So, choices were made during those dark years, in Italy. The Ukrainian Nazi soldier who received 2 standing ovations in Parliament made the wrong one. In my opinion."
Life is complex, and doubly so in war. Being trained to see the citizens of some country as "enemy" hardly improves one's ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes; but it's worth trying.
What are we to make of the Ukrainian attitude in WW2? When the German army (first) arrived, the Ukrainians felt they were being rescued from Stalin's clutches. These were people who had lived through genocide at the hands of the Bolshevics; two famines, deliberately created, and their land, food and livestock stolen. Murders; family members disappeared .. to work- (to death mostly) camps if they were "lucky". It's not surprising that the majority of men joined in the fight against Stalin.
War is Hell. "The Good War" as WW2 is sometimes known in the US, is an obscene oxymoron. It's never the bulk of the people, whether they be Russian, American, German, Jewish or Ukrainian who want war.
People seem to think that a whole nation, the Germans or Russians, is suddenly composed solely of "baddies" ... or "goodies".
The Russians were supposedly our allies in WW2: so they were "goodies"? Didn't they invade Poland, a couple of weeks after Hitler? In theory, wasn't that why Germans were "baddies"?
Here's two facts for you, uncomfortable ones if you still haven't got over the "good war" propaganda.
We (the "man in the street") were subjected to propaganda about good old Uncle Joe Stalin, him being an ally an' all. Well that's not the way Stalin felt about it: he (quite rightly) didn't trust "us" one bit! He spent the war wondering why we weren't coming to help fight the Germans, as 25 million Russians died trying to hold them back, instead of mucking around in the Mediterranean. He knew what sort of "allies" we were. (... Partly from WW1, when Russia were promised some land they didn't get when the spoils were divvied out at Versailles).
And how bad were the Germans? Did you know that after France declared war on Germany, and Germany succeeded in subduing France, more French were killed by the British and American invasion of France than by the Germans? No wonder the French aren't keen on the British.
Let's try and raise the level of discussion above the George W Bush level of sophistication - "goodies and baddies". So now one of the many people who ended up in the US after fighting on Germany's side (remember Operation Paperclip?) is the centre of a fuss (of someone else's making). Is he
- a "goodie" because he's from the Ukraine, which is subject to a completely unprovoked (?) attack by Russia? ...
- or a "baddie" because he fought with the German army, (our "foe")? ...
- or a "goodie" because he fought against Stalin, the second biggest mass-murderer (after Mao) in the twentieth century?
Do we really think that the millions of people making up a nation suddenly change from goodies to baddies and back, when a few evil bastards start wars?
He COULD be some ideologue; on the other hand he's probably just someone who behaved like everyone else around him all his life, like most people. It's unlikely he deserves either applause or opprobrium.
The chairman slipped off message for a moment: he was supposed to be upholding some myth but got confused which one. Big deal.
It's the rank and file in the armed services we should feel sorry for, not some politician who has just slipped back down the greasy pole.
I wonder if you still had family in Northern Italy when US General Lyman Lemnitser was sent over to start the "Years of Lead" terrorist campain, in Operation Gladio, in about 1960?
All my extended family still resides in northern Italy.
We weren't the only family members who emigrated to Canada after the war though.
My eldest aunt, on my father's side married a Canadian soldier and they settled in Ottawa. We don't often touch base, now that most everyone from that generation is long dead and buried under Canadian soil.
Fun Fact: My Ottawa cousin is married to Pierre Elliot Trudeau's official (and favorite) photographer.
I'm only familiar with "I anni di piombo", courtesy of Carina Malatesta, a Substack writer.
I was a toddler in 1960. Phone calls from where we lived in western Canada to Italy cost one dollar per minute in 1960. (My mother throws nothing away, not even ancient phone bills. 😉)
If someone in the "old country" died: We received a (dreaded) 3 or 4 word telegram.
Letters "to and from home" were few and far between.
We had 2 Canadian TV stations. 1 local, 1 snowy. Not that we had a TV in 1960... (I have the receipt for our 1st TV, purchased on a payment plan.)
I appreciate your knowledge of "both sides of history", and your understanding of human frailties.
My damaged father & mother were both products of their rural Italian upbringing and the 2nd World War. (I've never referred to any wars as "good." For the record.)
Neither of my parents were educated beyond the 6th grade.
I too am the product of my upbringing and didn't finish the 9th grade myself, before fleeing, however I've never stopped trying to educate myself, try to learn something new every day, and pay it forward.
Thanks for stopping by Jonathan. I appreciate the history lesson.
I appreciate all comments, and eagerly await them because?
Thank you for your generous, informative reply. I hope I didn't come across as lecturing. Sometimes I need to think more carefully about whether my reply is adressed to all who might read it, or the writer of the last message.
People have such different lives, don't they? It makes it fascinatingly varied, but difficult to put oneself in others shoes.
Sorry to be dim, but what do you mean by "My Ottawa", please?
Keep speaking the truth - and PUSH BACK against the tyranny of the global cabal who are full of themselves and believe they are a "god" to be obeyed with all of their evil imaginings termed as "mandates" for the "public good". HOGWASH!!! I remember seeing the photos of Il Duce's dead body along with his mistress being hung up in the public square like huge sausages--only to be desecrated by the angry mobs of citizens who had been terrorized by Il Duce and his "henchmen" for decades. FREEDOM from TYRANNY is a God-given RIGHT...what we choose to do with that freedom will determine if we expand into a JUST and COMPASSIONATE society or regress into yet more burdensome TYRANNY!
Do you think the brutal justice executed on II Duce, et al, may have been the precise recipe for the disaster we are in today? The escalation instead of de-escalation of tyranny?
My Uncle was in the Army Air Corps flying bombers over Italy at the end of WW II. His plane was shot down, but he parachuted out and was captured by the Italian Fascists. But one week later he was freed by the Italian resistance. He was sent back to the Air Corps and within a short period of time back in a plane on the missions. He was very grateful to the Italian resistances for his rescue.
He was a great man. I never knew his story as my dad (officer in the Marines during WW II) and mom would never talk about it. It was very hard for my uncle to tell the story, so I never learned of it until after he died recently. He was a great man and part American Indian too. He was an an Ophthalmologist and well-respected community leader. My cousin said he always struggled to tell the story.
"How Chryᛋᛋtia rose to 2nd in Command of Lord Goodhair’s WEF Occupied Canada is anyone's guess."? 😐
Actually I don't think we need guess at all: Back in the day, we had a politician in Nova Scotia nicknamed "Teflon John": Nothing stuck. Even though everyone knew he was as crooked as a dog's hind leg.
But now? I can't think of an age in recorded history.. not Ancient Rome, not the Renaissance Papacy, Hell, not even Nazi Germany nor Bolshevik Russia, that was more monumentally corrupt, than what we've lived through in The West, for the past nearly 4 years.🤔
If Castreau and Freeloader had any decency they should resign immediately. They don't of course, and they won't; and the same applies to all the morons in Parliament who gave this monster a standing ovation: They don't, and they won't. But it wouldn't matter a tinker's dam, nor make a particle of difference, even if they did; the words of Denethor before he cast himself on his pyre come to mind:
"Didst thou think that the eys of the White Tower were blind? Nay, I have seen more than thou knowest, Grey Fool. For thy hope is but ignorance. Go then and labour in healing! Go forth and fight! Vanity. For a little space you may triumph in the field, for a day. But against the power that arises there is no victory."
But that is what we must do. In the words of Beorthnoth's liegemen:
Further to my earlier comment, just heard Mike Adams on Brighteon remark that if Justine and Chryᛋᛋia lived up to their principles they should allow all their banking assets seized -- just like they promised would happened back in Feb. '22 to the Truckers.
The next problem after we exterminated Mussolini, the USA brought with them their own flavor of fascism that benefited them only. I am from the "red" city of Bologna and my family were not fascists by any means. Bologna targeted by USA gladio ops and the years of lead.
Popcorn made, front row seat reserved, bring it on.
...but...is this a setup? A distraction? Let’s watch both hands carefully....
https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2023/09/26/open-the-war-time-records
Thank you, and I agree! Operation Paperclip was sooo much more than the 1,000-ish criminals talked about, and al over the world not just USA. Canada got our fair share of them too.
A powerful and moving post. Would that the milksops, soyboys and cucks that are both sexes in today's Canada had a measure of the courage, integrity and decency of your father's and grandfather's compatriots.
That's one of the BIG lessons carried through to today. Emasculate in order to prevent a repeat of justice.
Thank you for sharing your family experiences
I thank you as well. I will share this w others. From Vancouver BC.
Thanks Bee. Please DO. ❤
Too bad Mussolini could only die once.
Unlike Hitler. 😉
Mussolini was used as an example in the Cole Porter song "You're the Top" ...
Now you're telling me he was a baddie? I can't keep up.
Next you'll be telling me that young Hitler - Time magasine's man of the year is a wrong-un!
Ah yes: that was before the war propaganda started.
I appreciated your anecdotes very much: very poignant.
"So, choices were made during those dark years, in Italy. The Ukrainian Nazi soldier who received 2 standing ovations in Parliament made the wrong one. In my opinion."
Life is complex, and doubly so in war. Being trained to see the citizens of some country as "enemy" hardly improves one's ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes; but it's worth trying.
What are we to make of the Ukrainian attitude in WW2? When the German army (first) arrived, the Ukrainians felt they were being rescued from Stalin's clutches. These were people who had lived through genocide at the hands of the Bolshevics; two famines, deliberately created, and their land, food and livestock stolen. Murders; family members disappeared .. to work- (to death mostly) camps if they were "lucky". It's not surprising that the majority of men joined in the fight against Stalin.
War is Hell. "The Good War" as WW2 is sometimes known in the US, is an obscene oxymoron. It's never the bulk of the people, whether they be Russian, American, German, Jewish or Ukrainian who want war.
People seem to think that a whole nation, the Germans or Russians, is suddenly composed solely of "baddies" ... or "goodies".
The Russians were supposedly our allies in WW2: so they were "goodies"? Didn't they invade Poland, a couple of weeks after Hitler? In theory, wasn't that why Germans were "baddies"?
Here's two facts for you, uncomfortable ones if you still haven't got over the "good war" propaganda.
We (the "man in the street") were subjected to propaganda about good old Uncle Joe Stalin, him being an ally an' all. Well that's not the way Stalin felt about it: he (quite rightly) didn't trust "us" one bit! He spent the war wondering why we weren't coming to help fight the Germans, as 25 million Russians died trying to hold them back, instead of mucking around in the Mediterranean. He knew what sort of "allies" we were. (... Partly from WW1, when Russia were promised some land they didn't get when the spoils were divvied out at Versailles).
And how bad were the Germans? Did you know that after France declared war on Germany, and Germany succeeded in subduing France, more French were killed by the British and American invasion of France than by the Germans? No wonder the French aren't keen on the British.
Let's try and raise the level of discussion above the George W Bush level of sophistication - "goodies and baddies". So now one of the many people who ended up in the US after fighting on Germany's side (remember Operation Paperclip?) is the centre of a fuss (of someone else's making). Is he
- a "goodie" because he's from the Ukraine, which is subject to a completely unprovoked (?) attack by Russia? ...
- or a "baddie" because he fought with the German army, (our "foe")? ...
- or a "goodie" because he fought against Stalin, the second biggest mass-murderer (after Mao) in the twentieth century?
Do we really think that the millions of people making up a nation suddenly change from goodies to baddies and back, when a few evil bastards start wars?
He COULD be some ideologue; on the other hand he's probably just someone who behaved like everyone else around him all his life, like most people. It's unlikely he deserves either applause or opprobrium.
The chairman slipped off message for a moment: he was supposed to be upholding some myth but got confused which one. Big deal.
It's the rank and file in the armed services we should feel sorry for, not some politician who has just slipped back down the greasy pole.
I wonder if you still had family in Northern Italy when US General Lyman Lemnitser was sent over to start the "Years of Lead" terrorist campain, in Operation Gladio, in about 1960?
All my extended family still resides in northern Italy.
We weren't the only family members who emigrated to Canada after the war though.
My eldest aunt, on my father's side married a Canadian soldier and they settled in Ottawa. We don't often touch base, now that most everyone from that generation is long dead and buried under Canadian soil.
Fun Fact: My Ottawa cousin is married to Pierre Elliot Trudeau's official (and favorite) photographer.
https://blogs.northcountrypublicradio.org/allin/2016/09/24/ottawa-photographers-lens-has-captured-history/
I'm only familiar with "I anni di piombo", courtesy of Carina Malatesta, a Substack writer.
I was a toddler in 1960. Phone calls from where we lived in western Canada to Italy cost one dollar per minute in 1960. (My mother throws nothing away, not even ancient phone bills. 😉)
If someone in the "old country" died: We received a (dreaded) 3 or 4 word telegram.
Letters "to and from home" were few and far between.
We had 2 Canadian TV stations. 1 local, 1 snowy. Not that we had a TV in 1960... (I have the receipt for our 1st TV, purchased on a payment plan.)
I appreciate your knowledge of "both sides of history", and your understanding of human frailties.
My damaged father & mother were both products of their rural Italian upbringing and the 2nd World War. (I've never referred to any wars as "good." For the record.)
Neither of my parents were educated beyond the 6th grade.
I too am the product of my upbringing and didn't finish the 9th grade myself, before fleeing, however I've never stopped trying to educate myself, try to learn something new every day, and pay it forward.
Thanks for stopping by Jonathan. I appreciate the history lesson.
I appreciate all comments, and eagerly await them because?
I want to learn something new today!
Cheers.
Thank you for your generous, informative reply. I hope I didn't come across as lecturing. Sometimes I need to think more carefully about whether my reply is adressed to all who might read it, or the writer of the last message.
People have such different lives, don't they? It makes it fascinatingly varied, but difficult to put oneself in others shoes.
Sorry to be dim, but what do you mean by "My Ottawa", please?
You're not dim. I need to proofread!
"My Ottawa cousin." 😉
Didn't feel you were lecturing me but if it sounds like that: it's what scholars and professors do. Teach or lecture.
See you next time friend.
Thanks: I should be more "unapologetically me"! ;-)
Can't stop me Jonathan. 😉
You be YOU though. Never stop.
Aw! (You meet the nicest people on Substack)!
Sound advice ... not that I have much choice: I've been doing it too long!
❤
Keep speaking the truth - and PUSH BACK against the tyranny of the global cabal who are full of themselves and believe they are a "god" to be obeyed with all of their evil imaginings termed as "mandates" for the "public good". HOGWASH!!! I remember seeing the photos of Il Duce's dead body along with his mistress being hung up in the public square like huge sausages--only to be desecrated by the angry mobs of citizens who had been terrorized by Il Duce and his "henchmen" for decades. FREEDOM from TYRANNY is a God-given RIGHT...what we choose to do with that freedom will determine if we expand into a JUST and COMPASSIONATE society or regress into yet more burdensome TYRANNY!
Do you think the brutal justice executed on II Duce, et al, may have been the precise recipe for the disaster we are in today? The escalation instead of de-escalation of tyranny?
I'm asking. IDK.
I would have to ponder that position, Pirate...let me sleep on it--OK?
I understand. I've been pondering that question for some time myself...
I look forward to any insights.
My Uncle was in the Army Air Corps flying bombers over Italy at the end of WW II. His plane was shot down, but he parachuted out and was captured by the Italian Fascists. But one week later he was freed by the Italian resistance. He was sent back to the Air Corps and within a short period of time back in a plane on the missions. He was very grateful to the Italian resistances for his rescue.
He was a great man. I never knew his story as my dad (officer in the Marines during WW II) and mom would never talk about it. It was very hard for my uncle to tell the story, so I never learned of it until after he died recently. He was a great man and part American Indian too. He was an an Ophthalmologist and well-respected community leader. My cousin said he always struggled to tell the story.
In case you want to know who my uncle was: https://airandspace.si.edu/support/wall-of-honor/george-guinn-howe
"How Chryᛋᛋtia rose to 2nd in Command of Lord Goodhair’s WEF Occupied Canada is anyone's guess."? 😐
Actually I don't think we need guess at all: Back in the day, we had a politician in Nova Scotia nicknamed "Teflon John": Nothing stuck. Even though everyone knew he was as crooked as a dog's hind leg.
But now? I can't think of an age in recorded history.. not Ancient Rome, not the Renaissance Papacy, Hell, not even Nazi Germany nor Bolshevik Russia, that was more monumentally corrupt, than what we've lived through in The West, for the past nearly 4 years.🤔
If Castreau and Freeloader had any decency they should resign immediately. They don't of course, and they won't; and the same applies to all the morons in Parliament who gave this monster a standing ovation: They don't, and they won't. But it wouldn't matter a tinker's dam, nor make a particle of difference, even if they did; the words of Denethor before he cast himself on his pyre come to mind:
"Didst thou think that the eys of the White Tower were blind? Nay, I have seen more than thou knowest, Grey Fool. For thy hope is but ignorance. Go then and labour in healing! Go forth and fight! Vanity. For a little space you may triumph in the field, for a day. But against the power that arises there is no victory."
But that is what we must do. In the words of Beorthnoth's liegemen:
"𝘏𝘪𝘨𝘦 𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘢𝘭 þ𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘥𝘳𝘢, 𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘦 þ𝘦 𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘳𝘦,
𝘮𝘰𝘥 𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘢𝘭 þ𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘦 þ𝘦 𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘦𝘨𝘦𝘯 𝘭𝘺𝘵𝘭𝘢ð."
(Will Shall Be The Sterner, Heart The Bolder,
Spirit The Greater as our Strength Lessens.)
This is a monumental screw-up. Methinks very little, including its timing, is an accident
Further to my earlier comment, just heard Mike Adams on Brighteon remark that if Justine and Chryᛋᛋia lived up to their principles they should allow all their banking assets seized -- just like they promised would happened back in Feb. '22 to the Truckers.
Guess what else isn't going to happen?
(https://www.brighteon.com/5885350f-be27-4191-bdd1-200f1742592f) - 0:27:00 onwards..
The next problem after we exterminated Mussolini, the USA brought with them their own flavor of fascism that benefited them only. I am from the "red" city of Bologna and my family were not fascists by any means. Bologna targeted by USA gladio ops and the years of lead.
Wow - powerful post - thank you so much.